vmware rant
10:30:27 PM Andrew Miller: hey lucas
10:30:32 PM chewbacaagentman: andrew!
10:30:35 PM Andrew Miller: let's talk about
10:30:36 PM chewbacaagentman: what's up?
10:30:37 PM Andrew Miller: VMWare
10:30:45 PM chewbacaagentman: hmm
10:30:47 PM chewbacaagentman: virtual machines?
10:31:03 PM Andrew Miller: so check this out i have like three problems with my computer right now that i need to solve with virtualiation
10:31:13 PM Andrew Miller: i had a second windows laptop for my lab but i had to give it back
10:31:32 PM chewbacaagentman: haha
10:31:33 PM Andrew Miller: either way, it was so broken with vista that it didn't work for most things anyway
10:31:40 PM chewbacaagentman: yeah
10:31:41 PM Andrew Miller: you use a macbook, right?
10:31:47 PM chewbacaagentman: not really
10:31:48 PM Andrew Miller: an older one but an intel
10:31:49 PM Andrew Miller: hm
10:31:50 PM chewbacaagentman: i use an iMac
10:31:55 PM chewbacaagentman: but i have an older macbook
10:32:00 PM Andrew Miller: do you have intel
10:32:02 PM chewbacaagentman: g4 "iBook"
10:32:05 PM Andrew Miller: on the imac
10:32:07 PM chewbacaagentman: yes
10:32:12 PM Andrew Miller: alright hceck this shit out dude
10:32:19 PM Andrew Miller: well, do you konw what vmware is
10:32:29 PM Andrew Miller: have you tried/thought of using it before
10:32:49 PM chewbacaagentman: yeah, i thinki have it installed
10:32:51 PM chewbacaagentman: i used it once
10:33:01 PM Andrew Miller: do you find yourself having to struggle with not having windows software or wanting to play with linux but not being able to install a critical driver
10:33:18 PM chewbacaagentman: i did that one time
10:33:21 PM Andrew Miller: ok
10:33:35 PM Andrew Miller: well i'm about to tell you a story i think you will find of little emotional value!
10:33:35 PM chewbacaagentman: but after using it i decided to just use boot camp
10:33:45 PM chewbacaagentman: or partition some space for it
10:33:50 PM chewbacaagentman: haha
10:33:54 PM chewbacaagentman: hooray!
10:34:00 PM Andrew Miller: i've been having these problems with a microchip
10:34:11 PM Andrew Miller: i need a programmable microcontroller for this stereo glasses thing
10:34:22 PM Andrew Miller: i have a TI one that's in a nice package just has a little usb programmer
10:34:43 PM Andrew Miller: but all their software doesn't work
10:34:58 PM Andrew Miller: either my crappy laptop or the ones in my lab
10:35:11 PM Andrew Miller: but guess what, a Windows on VMWare can run it fine
10:35:27 PM Andrew Miller: it's not just that vmware lets you run windows
10:35:29 PM chewbacaagentman: ?
10:35:35 PM chewbacaagentman: so maybe it's the hardware on the mac
10:35:37 PM Andrew Miller: it's like vmware lets you run windows in a tiny little box that's always clean
10:35:42 PM chewbacaagentman: haha
10:35:42 PM Andrew Miller: no, it's because everthing's simulated
10:35:56 PM Andrew Miller: like you don't have it corrupted with all orts of stupid drivers
10:36:05 PM Andrew Miller: your computer gets slow and weird when it has a lot of conflicting things on it
10:36:08 PM Andrew Miller: at least that's the case with windows
10:36:13 PM Andrew Miller: it actually is for me with mac
10:36:21 PM Andrew Miller: there's three different package managers for unixy things on mac! can you believe that?
10:36:56 PM chewbacaagentman: so what does that mean?
10:37:04 PM chewbacaagentman: to have three different packaging thingies
10:37:05 PM chewbacaagentman: lol
10:37:08 PM Andrew Miller: they all conflict with each other
10:37:12 PM chewbacaagentman: i don't understand enough to know the significance
10:37:13 PM Andrew Miller: like it's all unix deep down
10:37:22 PM Andrew Miller: /usr/local/lib/libgettext.f1
10:37:27 PM Andrew Miller: random example
10:37:34 PM Andrew Miller: but there's all sorts of weird hardcoded paths
10:37:40 PM Andrew Miller: mac is like in between 3 competing conventions for everything
10:37:53 PM Andrew Miller: because it almost runs a lot of linux stuff but it's originally bsd or something equivalent explanation
10:38:03 PM Andrew Miller: so trying to use it for programming rarely anything works
10:38:11 PM chewbacaagentman: UGH
10:38:13 PM Andrew Miller: i have two versions of python
10:38:19 PM Andrew Miller: and a bunch of useful libraries that only run on either of them
10:38:38 PM Andrew Miller: if i want to use one library to capture from a camera and another to control a projector
10:38:46 PM Andrew Miller: nevermind
10:38:52 PM chewbacaagentman:
10:39:00 PM Andrew Miller: anyway vmware lets me have a clean windows install every time!
10:39:06 PM chewbacaagentman:
10:39:14 PM Andrew Miller: so drivers and pointless shit work and i don't have to spend a lot of time installing firefox and a bunch of other stuff if i want to use a computer a lot
10:39:38 PM chewbacaagentman: yeah, i guess that's why they made them in the first place right?
10:39:53 PM Andrew Miller: everyone else's code in the lab is in C# and uses all these weird libraries
10:40:29 PM Andrew Miller: so i don't have to carry a windows laptop around with me or go to the lab as often
10:40:42 PM Andrew Miller: umm
10:40:47 PM Andrew Miller: i don't like any of the text editors on linux!
10:40:52 PM Andrew Miller: so i can write/edit souce code in mac
10:40:53 PM chewbacaagentman: so it lets you just use your macbook
10:40:56 PM Andrew Miller: and use linux to compile it
10:41:14 PM Andrew Miller: yeah its almost like
10:41:32 PM Andrew Miller: i always realized that virtualizatino made it easier because you wouldn't need as much hardware to running all three computers separately
10:41:43 PM Andrew Miller: like it's more convenient because you have all three at once
10:41:59 PM Andrew Miller: but that doing a lot of tasks are actually way easier if they can involve multiple operating systems
10:42:15 PM chewbacaagentman: yeah
10:42:15 PM Andrew Miller: like i hate editing code in the linux but it's fine on mac, all the fonts look better on the mac
10:42:23 PM chewbacaagentman: haha
10:42:25 PM Andrew Miller: but all the terminal programs don't run correctly on mac or windows
10:43:15 PM Andrew Miller: so the real moral of the story is vmware is alot better than it used to be
10:43:49 PM Andrew Miller: the vm tools work better mostly
10:43:55 PM Andrew Miller: copy paste works pretty well in between
10:44:09 PM Andrew Miller: to where i don't really have to distinguish between where the results are going to go
10:44:30 PM Andrew Miller: and it recognizes the window manager so you can hide the desktop and just have all your windows together
10:44:37 PM Andrew Miller: mac things like expose work
10:44:48 PM Andrew Miller: when i switch from mac to windows, the first thing i get upset with is not having 'expose'
10:45:33 PM Andrew Miller: so it's not just that i can run windows and mac at once, but like fuck having to use windows again when that it would mean not being able to use all the best tricks of mac
10:46:22 PM Andrew Miller: and the bottom line is when i actually need something done for work and i can't accomplish it anyway else because all the windows computers are broken and i can't afford a new laptop randomly
10:46:44 PM Andrew Miller: ok thank you for listening to vmware rant
10:30:32 PM chewbacaagentman: andrew!
10:30:35 PM Andrew Miller: let's talk about
10:30:36 PM chewbacaagentman: what's up?
10:30:37 PM Andrew Miller: VMWare
10:30:45 PM chewbacaagentman: hmm
10:30:47 PM chewbacaagentman: virtual machines?
10:31:03 PM Andrew Miller: so check this out i have like three problems with my computer right now that i need to solve with virtualiation
10:31:13 PM Andrew Miller: i had a second windows laptop for my lab but i had to give it back
10:31:32 PM chewbacaagentman: haha
10:31:33 PM Andrew Miller: either way, it was so broken with vista that it didn't work for most things anyway
10:31:40 PM chewbacaagentman: yeah
10:31:41 PM Andrew Miller: you use a macbook, right?
10:31:47 PM chewbacaagentman: not really
10:31:48 PM Andrew Miller: an older one but an intel
10:31:49 PM Andrew Miller: hm
10:31:50 PM chewbacaagentman: i use an iMac
10:31:55 PM chewbacaagentman: but i have an older macbook
10:32:00 PM Andrew Miller: do you have intel
10:32:02 PM chewbacaagentman: g4 "iBook"
10:32:05 PM Andrew Miller: on the imac
10:32:07 PM chewbacaagentman: yes
10:32:12 PM Andrew Miller: alright hceck this shit out dude
10:32:19 PM Andrew Miller: well, do you konw what vmware is
10:32:29 PM Andrew Miller: have you tried/thought of using it before
10:32:49 PM chewbacaagentman: yeah, i thinki have it installed
10:32:51 PM chewbacaagentman: i used it once
10:33:01 PM Andrew Miller: do you find yourself having to struggle with not having windows software or wanting to play with linux but not being able to install a critical driver
10:33:18 PM chewbacaagentman: i did that one time
10:33:21 PM Andrew Miller: ok
10:33:35 PM Andrew Miller: well i'm about to tell you a story i think you will find of little emotional value!
10:33:35 PM chewbacaagentman: but after using it i decided to just use boot camp
10:33:45 PM chewbacaagentman: or partition some space for it
10:33:50 PM chewbacaagentman: haha
10:33:54 PM chewbacaagentman: hooray!
10:34:00 PM Andrew Miller: i've been having these problems with a microchip
10:34:11 PM Andrew Miller: i need a programmable microcontroller for this stereo glasses thing
10:34:22 PM Andrew Miller: i have a TI one that's in a nice package just has a little usb programmer
10:34:43 PM Andrew Miller: but all their software doesn't work
10:34:58 PM Andrew Miller: either my crappy laptop or the ones in my lab
10:35:11 PM Andrew Miller: but guess what, a Windows on VMWare can run it fine
10:35:27 PM Andrew Miller: it's not just that vmware lets you run windows
10:35:29 PM chewbacaagentman: ?
10:35:35 PM chewbacaagentman: so maybe it's the hardware on the mac
10:35:37 PM Andrew Miller: it's like vmware lets you run windows in a tiny little box that's always clean
10:35:42 PM chewbacaagentman: haha
10:35:42 PM Andrew Miller: no, it's because everthing's simulated
10:35:56 PM Andrew Miller: like you don't have it corrupted with all orts of stupid drivers
10:36:05 PM Andrew Miller: your computer gets slow and weird when it has a lot of conflicting things on it
10:36:08 PM Andrew Miller: at least that's the case with windows
10:36:13 PM Andrew Miller: it actually is for me with mac
10:36:21 PM Andrew Miller: there's three different package managers for unixy things on mac! can you believe that?
10:36:56 PM chewbacaagentman: so what does that mean?
10:37:04 PM chewbacaagentman: to have three different packaging thingies
10:37:05 PM chewbacaagentman: lol
10:37:08 PM Andrew Miller: they all conflict with each other
10:37:12 PM chewbacaagentman: i don't understand enough to know the significance
10:37:13 PM Andrew Miller: like it's all unix deep down
10:37:22 PM Andrew Miller: /usr/local/lib/libgettext.f1
10:37:27 PM Andrew Miller: random example
10:37:34 PM Andrew Miller: but there's all sorts of weird hardcoded paths
10:37:40 PM Andrew Miller: mac is like in between 3 competing conventions for everything
10:37:53 PM Andrew Miller: because it almost runs a lot of linux stuff but it's originally bsd or something equivalent explanation
10:38:03 PM Andrew Miller: so trying to use it for programming rarely anything works
10:38:11 PM chewbacaagentman: UGH
10:38:13 PM Andrew Miller: i have two versions of python
10:38:19 PM Andrew Miller: and a bunch of useful libraries that only run on either of them
10:38:38 PM Andrew Miller: if i want to use one library to capture from a camera and another to control a projector
10:38:46 PM Andrew Miller: nevermind
10:38:52 PM chewbacaagentman:
10:39:00 PM Andrew Miller: anyway vmware lets me have a clean windows install every time!
10:39:06 PM chewbacaagentman:
10:39:14 PM Andrew Miller: so drivers and pointless shit work and i don't have to spend a lot of time installing firefox and a bunch of other stuff if i want to use a computer a lot
10:39:38 PM chewbacaagentman: yeah, i guess that's why they made them in the first place right?
10:39:53 PM Andrew Miller: everyone else's code in the lab is in C# and uses all these weird libraries
10:40:29 PM Andrew Miller: so i don't have to carry a windows laptop around with me or go to the lab as often
10:40:42 PM Andrew Miller: umm
10:40:47 PM Andrew Miller: i don't like any of the text editors on linux!
10:40:52 PM Andrew Miller: so i can write/edit souce code in mac
10:40:53 PM chewbacaagentman: so it lets you just use your macbook
10:40:56 PM Andrew Miller: and use linux to compile it
10:41:14 PM Andrew Miller: yeah its almost like
10:41:32 PM Andrew Miller: i always realized that virtualizatino made it easier because you wouldn't need as much hardware to running all three computers separately
10:41:43 PM Andrew Miller: like it's more convenient because you have all three at once
10:41:59 PM Andrew Miller: but that doing a lot of tasks are actually way easier if they can involve multiple operating systems
10:42:15 PM chewbacaagentman: yeah
10:42:15 PM Andrew Miller: like i hate editing code in the linux but it's fine on mac, all the fonts look better on the mac
10:42:23 PM chewbacaagentman: haha
10:42:25 PM Andrew Miller: but all the terminal programs don't run correctly on mac or windows
10:43:15 PM Andrew Miller: so the real moral of the story is vmware is alot better than it used to be
10:43:49 PM Andrew Miller: the vm tools work better mostly
10:43:55 PM Andrew Miller: copy paste works pretty well in between
10:44:09 PM Andrew Miller: to where i don't really have to distinguish between where the results are going to go
10:44:30 PM Andrew Miller: and it recognizes the window manager so you can hide the desktop and just have all your windows together
10:44:37 PM Andrew Miller: mac things like expose work
10:44:48 PM Andrew Miller: when i switch from mac to windows, the first thing i get upset with is not having 'expose'
10:45:33 PM Andrew Miller: so it's not just that i can run windows and mac at once, but like fuck having to use windows again when that it would mean not being able to use all the best tricks of mac
10:46:22 PM Andrew Miller: and the bottom line is when i actually need something done for work and i can't accomplish it anyway else because all the windows computers are broken and i can't afford a new laptop randomly
10:46:44 PM Andrew Miller: ok thank you for listening to vmware rant
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